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best m16 variant or other long assault rifle out there
dman58Date: Saturday, 2011-04-02, 3:24 PM | Message # 1
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hi, i was thinking of selling one of my guns that ive had for a long time to start a new project.

i was wondering what everyones opinion was on what the best m16/other long barreled assault rifle is for around +/- $500.

mainly im looking for internals that are rock solid, like reinforced gb shell and high end drivetrain parts, and preferably ready for a m130 spring and lipo...
good looking externals, not the average m16 look :P
a inner barrel of at least m16 length for high accuracy and a good place for optics
metal body
free float ris (if possible)

i really like functioning bolt assists (pops ar latch)
and quick change spring guide (like in vfc guns)

 
Disposable-HeroDate: Sunday, 2011-04-03, 1:18 AM | Message # 2
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i would say go with the KWA M16. i had one for a while, it was a great gun. very sturdy, very reliable, lipo ready, great internals for a stock gun (mike might have a better opinion about that)
i love KWA guns because they are really good right out of the box. they crank out 400fps stock, so you probably could get away without the new spring. and they have a lot of different styles of m16 depending on your preference.

if i had to buy an 16, id buy KWA without any hesitation. so for what its worth, thats my vote.

 
dman58Date: Monday, 2011-04-04, 8:12 PM | Message # 3
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alright, thanks. i was just watching some videos of the shot show, and apparantly real sword announced that theyre coming out with some sort of revolutionary electric design. it uses a bolt that looks exactly like the inocatzu (sorry for crappy spelling) gas blowback m4, but somehow has an electric firing mechanism (even though you can see the barrel when the bolt is back). they said it was electromagnetic or something like that, id be really interested in seeing/buying this once it came out.. it seems like it would be a really reliable and realistic design

my friend had a kwa m4, and it was amazing until he tried upgrading it. anyways i still really like kwas tho

 
EliDate: Monday, 2011-04-04, 9:19 PM | Message # 4
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Ares tavor 21 has quick change spring and its a bullpup design so the barrel is longer in it but its nowhere near the look of an m16 but hey its only $360 so you could spend some cash on a mock supressor and longer inner barrel so it would be like an armalite with those specifics you want.
 
DemonDate: Tuesday, 2011-04-05, 8:56 PM | Message # 5
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KWA's are good guns if you wish to keep things stock in a well performing airsoft gun but to upgrade them you would need to change out alot more because everything is proprietary.

Honestly if youre gonna put tons of upgrades into the gun just get a clone because most of the bodies are pretty decent then that way you dont shell out cash for stuff youre gonna end up changing


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dman58Date: Tuesday, 2011-04-05, 10:02 PM | Message # 6
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yeah.. the ares tavor seems like a great idea, i really like those guns and the price is right. i might actually keep the m16 though because the lower fps i found out is due to the SHS spring not being to spec, not the compression
 
EliDate: Tuesday, 2011-04-05, 11:19 PM | Message # 7
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other than that i think now don't quote me on this but G&P does some functioning bolt catches if it means a lot to you
 
fuzzywuzzyDate: Thursday, 2011-04-07, 10:29 PM | Message # 8
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I think the best option is going to be custom made. Usually the first thing that comes to mind is look into the custom gun section on a retailer site but most places only offer a stock gun with some externals slapped on.. real impressive lol.

So my suggestions are to look into ics, tm, g&g probably as well if you want a better platform to upgrade. The main advantages to those are that you get a nice quality external body, good hop up and pretty good internals. There isn't much left to buy other than get a tightbore and new spring. The other parts aren't mandatory even though every little thing will boost performance. If you're not looking to do any work on it, a kwa may give one of the best stock performances, plus it's relatively high fps is nice to have for outdoor games. Otherwise kwa guns run pretty well for just throwing a lipo in them.

If your budget is limited to 500 you may need a cheaper platform but then it would probably be a good idea to get a new v2 gearbox shell to put in it as well. It's not really any absolute advice, I'd just look for they style of gun youlike, then compare the available brands/prices.
If your budget is more than the cost of a high end stock gun you'll probably have to do the upgrading yourself. Even some companies like tas that sell the "ajax" line I wouldn't trust. For the parts they put into the guns, they must measure their ranges using milimeters rather than feet or something. Imo it's a bunch of bs.

As for 'revolutionary' ideas, as a customer it's more economical to allow other people to be the pawns and purchase new revolutionary designs. That way if it's ever a big hit, you'll be joining the trend on the 2nd or 3rd release which will probably have most of the bugs worked out. That way you're not stuck with an expensive and flawed alpha design haha. Though for now there's not anything other than a standard aeg that can really match up for near the same price. I also don't like the quick spring change design idea for any gearbox. It's really just another way to weaken the gearbox because they use a uniform casting of pot metal for all the parts. Also ares guns are pretty bad. They just sell a few unique guns. If you want good performance and anything near reliable you'll have to replace almost everything internally.

 
dman58Date: Friday, 2011-04-08, 4:12 PM | Message # 9
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alright thanks.. i do all my upgrading by myself btw, im thinking g&g would be the way to go, ive done work on theyre gearboxes before and they seemed really solid... but im not sure whether they sell any gun that has the arl releaser without the pneumatic blowback... idk if it would be worth buying a g4 and replacing the whole front end and various internals... other than that the g4 gearbox is one of my favorites
 
fuzzywuzzyDate: Wednesday, 2011-04-20, 5:19 PM | Message # 10
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I'd like to touch a little on what Colin said about getting a kwa. For the money, the internals are actually quite worth it. You get better than average set of gears, gearbox, hop up, bucking, I think even a bearing spring guide, and good compression parts. There's no need to replace any of the main parts, they'll last you a good while. If you change out the metal piston head for a polycarb head. The gearbox will last you even longer if you changed the piston head. Granted, the kwa nozzle is not a standard nozzle, but I doubt you'll ever have to replace it. The main benefits that I see with kwa are the metal upper and lower receiver. It's possible that they are a decent quality aluminum rather than a cheap zinc pot metal. Either way it's far more solid and better than cheaper 'full metal' guns. I'm definitely impressed with the quality of the kwa body. If you replace the piston head and add a tightbore it should make a pretty good, reliable set up.
 
dman58Date: Wednesday, 2011-04-20, 10:29 PM | Message # 11
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alright thanks, i will take that into consideration. on my current m16, it was having a weird problem a few days ago... i would put in asgi .28g bbs like usual and it would work great. then i tried putting in ics .25g bbs and they instantly clogged the barrel. the barrel was perfectly clean. i unclogged it and put .28s back in and it worked fine. .25s again and it clogged. i then tried different hopup placements and found it only works with .25s if the hopup is all the way down.

i assumed this was an issue with the hopup components i had installed and the higher than average fps. btw i was running a king arms hopup metal unit with i believe a systema bucking and a plastic hnub.

i put a standard nub back in in place of the hnub because, well, it flexes more and seems like it would jam less....

it now works with both weights of bbs.. BUT the bucking is pushing down too much, so when the hop is off, it is actually the perfect amount for .28s, but too high for .25s....

this leads me to the questioning of hnubs being practical, or not... the accuracy seemed to have had no noticable difference when i switched back to the normal one.. and it just seems better for jamming purposes to use a more flexible nub rather than the hard plastic.

does anyone have a favorite or preferred hop up setup they could share? im thinking maybe i could shave down the middle of the bucking bump, so the hopup has 2 points of pressure, like the hnub was designed to do, but still have the flexibility of the standard rubber nub

 
fuzzywuzzyDate: Friday, 2011-04-22, 4:12 PM | Message # 12
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Hop ups are one of the few things I haven't really spent a whole lot of money on. Mainly because I don't feel like spending $20+ on an upgrade that may very well detract from performance. However, here are a few hop ups that I have have messed around with: g&g, element, classic army, ics, tm, and various stock hop ups. However hop ups are a little picky on a gun by gun basis, and you have to pair them with an appropriate bucking. I don't have a 'set' bucking for each hop up, I just go through buckings until I get a nice snug fit for maximum air seal. Due to some of the poor tolerances on a lot of the hop ups, my attitude is as long as you have a tight fit, the bucking quality will make the most difference. If you want to have good tolerances, then shell out the money for a tm hop up (if you can find it), and you'll get just about one of the nicest aeg hop ups.

Some of the standard buckings that are alright are prometheus, madbull and systema. I've never tried firefly. Kwa buckings are really good but if I recall, they are very thin and don't work with most hop ups. The entire process is mainly trial and error.

As for the h/x/fishbone,/shs nubs I've had 0 success with any of them. I tried various combos with different buckings in both my ak and mp5. The mp5 is a pain because you have to take it apart down to the last screw pretty much to get to the hop up. Anyhow, all they ever did for me after hours and hours of adjustments was add fliers and screw up my already good groupings. I tried using a bucking with and without the nub as well. However if you take off the nub, you lose a lot of the sensitivity and you may need to make a small extension on the hop up arm to compensate.
However, I'm also very picky about which standard 'noodle' nub that I use as well. I don't take the short or thin ones, it can't collapse easy and I clip off any of the flash around the outsides to make it as consistant as possible. I'm in the process of making my own solid core nubs so they'll have the flex of a silicone nub but they won't collapse over time. No idea how it will work though but I figure I'll give it a try.

 
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